Help needed - Brunswick 10-y

[10-y]

I have a Brunswick record player Model 10-Y, Ser # 254615 , Marce, Inc Reg 21848  13 Feb 1923. Would like to acquire the operators manual along with any other printed information available such as actual date of mfg, etc.

We also find that it will not accept or hold a winding in order to play a record..

Any help and/or suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Contact info:

Don Linneer

E-mail:  dlinneer@aol.com

[BenL]

Is it an Ultona or Panatrope model? Some pictures would help. 

[10-y]

Not sure if Ultona or Panatrope.

Here are 3 photo's

[CurtA]

"We also find that it will not accept or hold a winding in order to play a record.."

 

What happens when you wind it?  Does the crank just spin and not catch the spring?  If there is no tension when you wind it, either the spring is unhooked from the spindle shaft or the spring is broken.  What "should" happen when you wind it is immediate tension and the feeling of the ratchet pawl stopping the crank from spinning backwards (if the spring is engaged or not broken).  

[10-y]

Thanks for the heads up.

Will check using your suggestions.

[BenL]

It's a Panatrope model 10-7, introduced late 1927 and produced until 1929, when the Depression led Brunswick to discontinue their acoustic models.(The 1923 on the horn is a patent date and not a manufacturing date.) Sadly, no serial number records survive to narrow down a more precise year of production. 

 
The Panatrope was Brunswick's answer to the  Victor Orthophonic, consider the highest level of acoustic reproduction for the newly introduced electrically recorded records. Brunswick introduced their Panatrope models in late 1925 at the same time of the Victor Orthophonic.  The 10-7 was  in the second wave of models and is even stylized very similarly to the Victor Orthophonic model Consolette.
 

Edited June 6, 2023 by BenL

[10-y]

Thanks very much for your time and information.

 

Any idea's where a Operators manual/Instructions might be found?

 

Please also note the following photo of the ID Plate .

[MisterJive47]

Very handsome machine! I've always loved these Panatropes.

[CurtA]

"Any idea's where a Operators manual/Instructions might be found?"

 

This is not meant to be a sarcastic answer:

These machines are 100 yrs old, it's not like buying a TV from BestBuy and looking online for a manual...  One probably came with it when new but there is no special source for these.  You might get lucky and find one on eBay or there might be a collector who has an original, but finding an original or a copy is unlikely.  Brunswick was not considered a main brand phonograph, but they are interesting machines, never the less.  Part of this hobby is searching and sometimes finding obscure parts or ephemera, but it might take a lot of effort to locate them.  Paper parts or manuals were usually thrown away just like today, so they are hard or impossible to locate.  If you buy a new phone or computer, do you save the boxes, manuals and paper items?  I don't.  So imagine 100 yrs from now looking for an iPhone 11 paper manual...

 

Basic instructions:  get a 78 rpm shellac record and put it on the turntable.  Put a steel needle in the reproducer needle chuck.  Crank up the phonograph until you feel firm resistance.  Push the start lever and lower the reproducer onto the record... voila.

 

[BenL]

On 6/10/2023 at 8:04 PM, CurtA said:

Brunswick was not considered a main brand phonograph

 

By this point Brunswick was a main brand. With Columbia's bankruptcy in 1922 this left a pretty sizable gap in the phonograph market. This allowed Brunswick to overtake both Edison and the re-emerging Columbia to become the second biggest phonograph maker behind Victor. Brunswick held this distinction even after Columbia's British portion bought them out. By 1924-1925 in terms of output, Columbia and Brunswick where pretty much on the same level. While Columbia still had name recognition the bankruptcy hurt their brand, and Brunswick had been a well established company since the 1840s. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by BenL

[CurtA]

Thanks for the clarification, Ben...

[Springmotor70]

On 6/10/2023 at 1:15 AM, 10-y said:

 

Any idea's where a Operators manual/Instructions might be found?

You have come to the right place.

[Springmotor70]

    Don, Welcome to what might become your new passion.  Besides working on your motor problems, your tone arm is on the wrong side of the turn table.  It is usually limited to the right but it has gotten past the automatic stop trip lever.  Rather than force it under the stem you can also just remove the tone arm mounting screws and put it back on the correct side or pull the motor.  The reproducer crook is also self supporting in the back position so you do not have to rest the needle on the wood finish of cabinet.  When you get your machine up and running you will find that it has an amazing sound for such a small phonograph.  Especially when playing early electrically recorded records.